We were out and about, running errands, possibly Christmas shopping, and my husband Nathan asked if I had bought "the chair". He really wanted it. He gave me some money to put down on it, I think fifty dollars. In the dream I remembered that we had seen this chair in a store window from another place (restaurant?) across a breezeway. It was a chair that would "massage and warm" - there was a sign to that effect next to it in the window. I left Nathan and went to the store to order the chair and choose a fabric, but before he left, he told me to get some "woolies". I knew in the dream that what he meant was curtains with insulation, really nice curtains.
I went in the store which turned out to be an upscale place. I knew that this was going to be expensive, but I also knew that Nathan would pay the price. There was not much floorspace in the store - lots of merchandise. I passed by the manager (or owner?) who it seemed I was acquainted with in the dream (seems I'd come in to browse before and she'd been very friendly) - she was busy - and I went to get a closer look at the chair in the window. It was designed like one of the novelty TV chairs that you can probably order from something like FingerHut, but of course it was well made with nice fabric on it to match the grouping in the store window.
A saleslady came up behind me, a very very well-dressed African-American lady, and I told her what I wanted. She suggested a matching loveseat, and I told her I just wanted the chair. She "nicely" pressured me, but I was firm. She began to argue with me and try to convince me that I couldn't buy only the chair, that things came in sets, yaddayadda, but I knew she was just trying for a higher commission, and we didn't need a room full of furniture.
I walked toward the manager with this saleslady following me, and there were suddenly customers in the store, all seemingly well-to-do women, all seemingly wanting help right then. The manager had her hands full, and she acted surprisingly curt to me, but she went to the sales counter and pulled out a fabric-sample book. Then I remembered I wanted "woolies". I told her, and she piled several samples on top of the fabric sample book.
I started to look at these, but women behind me were getting impatient (I didn't blame them), so I got out of the line to make my decision. The whole time I had been holding the money or check in my hand, and I went to a table with it under my arm and put the samples down to look at them. While I was looking, a man kept bringing carved wood curtain rods to the table, two or three at a time, and brackets and valence boards, but mostly the long curtain rods. Apparently in the dream this sort of Mexican-looking primitive-carved heavy wood curtain rod was in style, and these were to go with my "woolies". I realized this was another pressure tactic, and I was feeling rather crowded with all this stuff around me. Another saleslady came to me, one with longish hair and half-glasses, and tried to sell me curtain rods.
Somewhere around this time, I was waking up,but in my mind the dream was still going on, not like I was making it happen, but more like I was still partly asleep, and this story was like a movie - it was going to continue whether I was asleep or not.
I got to a certain point of frustration where normally I would have just left the store and told my husband about the pressure sales people. I knew he would understand, but I also knew that he really wanted what he sent me for, and that it was time for me to stand up for myself. I told the second saleslady very plainly that I came for these two things and wasn't going to buy anything else - interjecting that my husband is an artist and would carve me a prettier curtain rod than any of these (he really is an artist, and I knew he would do this).
She started arguing with me, and I suddenly knew that she was desparate for money, that she and the other lady worked for straight commission, and that this second lady had looked everywhere for another job and had only found this one. I identified with this, and I started to tell her that I knew how hard it was to find a job nowadays, and that I understood her position. She said "you don't understand anything!" but I continued to reason with her and to talk, and I had many things to say. It was like I was starting to preach in the store about being kind - not only because it's the right thing to do, but because you never know when someone without much money could send in a client who does have money, because of the good service.
I thought about mentioning that hubby and I were missionaries (we might be soon), but the Spirit withheld me from saying that. I was sent there by God, I knew that now, but I was not sent there for them to take pity on me or to use His name to get a discount.
Before I completely woke up, the Lord put it on my mind that I could actually help this store manager/owner, and that He wanted me to offer my services to her as a skip tracer (to look for people who owed the store money - it's something that I think I might actually be starting to do soon). I woke up fully before I said it, but I was also reminded after I awoke that recently I asked God to allow me to prophesy to businesspeople, and I told Him I would do it if He opened the door.
This felt very real, by the way, and I tried to go back to sleep, but I felt that I was supposed to write this down. I got up around five o'clock AM to do that, even though I hadn't gone to bed until after midnight.
blessings
tal
sent to buy a chair
This to me is the actual point of the dream. You need to stand up for yourself and do what the Lord has told you to do. You do not do things on your own and claim missionary sent by God status, you do only that which the Lord has told you to do. I think God has been opening the doors for you, you just need to find out which door He opened for you and go through it. Step out in Faith and God will back you up. The chair is for waiting on the Lord. It is good to see one of your dreams Tal. I pray God blesses you and Nathan and gives you clear direction for the future.I knew he would understand, but I also knew that he really wanted what he sent me for, and that it was time for me to stand up for myself. I told the second saleslady very plainly that I came for these two things and wasn't going to buy anything else
in Christ,
-
talitha
BJ, you do have a way of cutting to the chase. I like that. And thanks for the insightful encouragement - it's like a breath of fresh air. That part of the dream really stands out to me too, and I think it's even significant that I was actually waking up while this was going on. "Waking up" is a big theme in my relationship with the Lord and ultimately I believe in my ministry - hence my moniker here....... and it's time for the church - like me in the dream - to wake up and stand up for herself - and do what she's been commissioned to do.....
bless you
tal
PS - humm i think i will past the egroup responses here so we can look at them all together. Hard for me to look at all the emails at the same time...... -- t
bless you
tal
PS - humm i think i will past the egroup responses here so we can look at them all together. Hard for me to look at all the emails at the same time...... -- t
-
talitha
from Dennis:
I believe that this dream is symbolic. I believe that your prayer
to prophesy to business people is related. I believe the chair
represents a place to sit with your beloved, and the warm curtains
are to surround you with warmth in this protected placeof intimacy.
Prophecy for those in business will come out of that intimacy. Your
beloved (represented by your husband) has paid the price for this. I
think 50 symbolizes jubilee, that it will be that kind of time for
you. I believe this also relates to in Isaiah where the Lord says,
come, come buy food and milk and food without cost and your soul
shall be satisified. There is no cost to you, but He has paid the
cost for you to have this time of jubilee, which is freedom from all
debts (anything we owe because of our sin, and possibly real debts we
might owe to others - gratitude, monetary, etc.). I think others (in
the church) will come to try to get you to do more than this, to tell
you that you will need more than this, to pressure
> you in this direction. Some of it will be nice pressure, some not
so nice. I believe you may be called to the African-American
population at some level, so the woman coming to you may be looking
to get you to do your ministry in a nice way, that's not offensive,
but still will divert you from what you are to do. The well-to-do
ladies are well-to-do churches. Some will come even with the promise
of providing for you that which seemingly would nuture your inward
place with the Lord, but it will really not. The Lord (your husband)
will provide that for you. Overall, I believe this dream is a gentle
warning as you pursue intimacy with Him, things which come at you,
which might appear to be good and right and part of your ministry,
need to be discerned through your intimacy with Him and not by their
outward appearance.
>
> As always, I'm sure there's much of me in this, I think some is of
God as well. Please pray through and keep what's Him and discard the
rest! If you're comfortable with it, if something doesn't click and
you want to respond, that would be helpful feedback for me in terms
of growing in my interpretive skills. If not, that's good, too! God
knows!
>
> Blessings,
> Dennis
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my response to Dennis:
Dennis, thank you for responding to my dream.
I did not think about the chair being for me but only for hubby - so
thank you for the fresh perspective. And I really found what you
said about the pressuring to be interesting too - people pulling on
me for ministry - that does happen from time to time, and I can see
how this might be a heads-up for that sort of thing happening.
Hmm.... I am still sorting through some different responses to this,
and I will probably come back with a report of what the Lord is
revealing to me - as I continue to reflect on your interpretation,
more is coming to me - I do believe that you are speaking spirit to
me, and I appreciate that, brother....
I believe that this dream is symbolic. I believe that your prayer
to prophesy to business people is related. I believe the chair
represents a place to sit with your beloved, and the warm curtains
are to surround you with warmth in this protected placeof intimacy.
Prophecy for those in business will come out of that intimacy. Your
beloved (represented by your husband) has paid the price for this. I
think 50 symbolizes jubilee, that it will be that kind of time for
you. I believe this also relates to in Isaiah where the Lord says,
come, come buy food and milk and food without cost and your soul
shall be satisified. There is no cost to you, but He has paid the
cost for you to have this time of jubilee, which is freedom from all
debts (anything we owe because of our sin, and possibly real debts we
might owe to others - gratitude, monetary, etc.). I think others (in
the church) will come to try to get you to do more than this, to tell
you that you will need more than this, to pressure
> you in this direction. Some of it will be nice pressure, some not
so nice. I believe you may be called to the African-American
population at some level, so the woman coming to you may be looking
to get you to do your ministry in a nice way, that's not offensive,
but still will divert you from what you are to do. The well-to-do
ladies are well-to-do churches. Some will come even with the promise
of providing for you that which seemingly would nuture your inward
place with the Lord, but it will really not. The Lord (your husband)
will provide that for you. Overall, I believe this dream is a gentle
warning as you pursue intimacy with Him, things which come at you,
which might appear to be good and right and part of your ministry,
need to be discerned through your intimacy with Him and not by their
outward appearance.
>
> As always, I'm sure there's much of me in this, I think some is of
God as well. Please pray through and keep what's Him and discard the
rest! If you're comfortable with it, if something doesn't click and
you want to respond, that would be helpful feedback for me in terms
of growing in my interpretive skills. If not, that's good, too! God
knows!
>
> Blessings,
> Dennis
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
my response to Dennis:
Dennis, thank you for responding to my dream.
I did not think about the chair being for me but only for hubby - so
thank you for the fresh perspective. And I really found what you
said about the pressuring to be interesting too - people pulling on
me for ministry - that does happen from time to time, and I can see
how this might be a heads-up for that sort of thing happening.
Hmm.... I am still sorting through some different responses to this,
and I will probably come back with a report of what the Lord is
revealing to me - as I continue to reflect on your interpretation,
more is coming to me - I do believe that you are speaking spirit to
me, and I appreciate that, brother....
-
talitha
from Joann Preto:
> For your prayerful consideration.
>
> I like what Dennis said as it seemed insightful. Like Dennis, I
also don't know if it all fits. Like what I read Linda say here
somewhere about us seeing in pictures so I think this is something
you know and understand that the details may not be right on but
picture may be more in focus. That was very helpful as I remember my
brother saying something similar once and I had forgotten so it was a
nice reminder.
>
> Guess it could also work vice versa.
>
> You and hubby (whomever He may represent) are out and about
possibly looking for gifts to give others (spiritual gifts?).
>
> This chair appears to be like one of those luxurious massage
warmer chairs that just ease the tension and pain out of the body
after a long day. I am thinking symbolic as to what I said there.
>
> Appears that you notice this chair when you were at another
location dining / fellowshipping with others. I don't know what a
breezeway is but just the term conjurs up a passage for Holy Spirit
breezes. Looks like you are seeing this chair, details, and sign
through the window / Spiritual insight.
>
> The money to put down on it reminds me of the parable the
talents. You mentioned "down on it" so I am thinking more along the
lines of a deposit like how the Holy Spirit is the deposit of all the
lovely things in Jesus for us. (Ephesians 1)
>
> Looks like hubby lets you go to choose the finishing touches on
this chair. I am thinking the fabric indicates things catered to
us. Maybe this will help:
>
> I like to say that there are different threads that make up the
fabric of our lives. In other words, like our background, culture,
beliefs, experiences, etc.
>
> It looks like hubby is going to allow you to choose the type of
fabric you want on it / cater the outward appearance / design to suit
you.
>
> When I think of curtains in dream I think of how they can be used
to reveal and conceal things. It could be a scene, light, etc.
Insulation generally adds more padding to a home to keep it warm
(believe that's its purpose). It may be similar for the curtains.
>
> You enter and recognize the high quality. I am thinking this may
be regarding riches in heaven, like how Spiritual things gained are
of higher quality. You know that it will cost more, like how Jesus
said to count the cost. Cost may be in reference to denying self yet
you are aware that Nathan will pay the price.
>
> The ordering aspect of it reminds me how I have been viewing at
times furniture in dreams. Furniture is an addition to a home and
may speak of more tangible things, like experiences and wisdom we may
have gained in our journey. So this one reminds you of that, like
maybe how we can just order an experience that appears to be more
like telemarketing instead of something more quality. But you do
appear to recognize that this particular chair is different. You
know this one is a better quality. Not like this "hut" place.
>
> So now you are in and you appear to notice the lack of
floorspace, which may indicate not enough room to adequately display
these items. You take notice of the manager whom you seem to have
met before.
>
> She's busy and curt. Probably too much on her hands and it may
be effecting how well she can adequately minister to others. Like
how sometimes we feel we don't have the time to relate on a more
personal level because there just doesn't appear to be enough time
for it due to having our hands full.
>
> Ok, so now you have this saleslady that is trying to convince you
that you need more than you actually do and you appear to recognize
that her heart intentions may not be right on. You feel it is more
about her than the customer. Reminds me like how some may feel they
have to earn things from our Lord instead of excepting it as the free
gift that it is and exercising good stewardship.
>
> Oh, think I got ahead of myself on the curt part. It appears now
she is curt with you do to being swamped. Yet she does appear to
make an effort to help you. Looks like you have been given some
insight as to why this lady that you may know may come accross as
curt at some point.
>
> With the woolies scene next it appears that you recognize these
business women (who may represent women that relate more on business
level) want help and there are many and you get out of line, like
giving up your turn, so that they can be helped.
>
> So looks like you have that deposit in your hands and now this
guy in there wants to sell you the curtain rods an other things and
you got this other lady too. Sounds like they feel you should have
these things for whatever reason and you appear to recognize that you
don't. I don't care for the pressure tactic as I don't believe the
Lord pressures us but woos us. There may be times He may use more
sobering measures but I don't associate pressure with Him. Do you?
The lady appears to be working with half sight.
>
> Ok, so looks like you leave then have a change of heart and go
back. Looks like you recognize that they are working for commission
and you don't appreciate that. Commission can be tricky because
there is that temptation to forget about the customers needs and just
think about earning that commission check. You mention hubby being
a fine aritist and how He can do make one for you.
>
> This scene where you mention hubby here conjurs up a picture for
me where at times we may feel we don't need others because we have a
union as one with another that we recognize as being gifted. I can
see where this pressure thing can have a negative effect.
>
> The saleslady appears to believe that you don't understand.
>
> So now you preach to them about being kind to others. You know
you were sent there by God like you now see another reason for having
been sent to this store. The part that you mention with the people
with money that may come in conjurs up a picture of where someone may
have gift or talent that they can impart to us in exchange for the
furniture but we may miss that because we may shut them out / turn
them off due to being unkind. And isn't that how it often is, when
we give we do receive.
>
> So you withhold some personal information as the Holy Spirit
leads. This reminds me of how at times we may be led by the Holy
Spirit to do just that so the focus is not lost. Like to keep the
focus on the message and not us. I think a good comparison may be
this:
>
> 1 Corinthians 1:
> 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the
gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be
emptied of its power.
>
> You may want to prayerfull read the whole chapter. One I hold
dear and think you may too.
>
> Ok, this next thing about what the Lord put on your mind reminded
me of this. One time I was sad because I didn't persevere through
something and I felt the Lord showed me in a dream not to beat myself
up because if others were living with me they should have paid me
rent then I would not be worried if I had enough money to pay my
mortgage.
>
> Like how we may be providing a service to others in a spiritual
sense and if they are benefitting they should say so (pay rent) for
that helps to build us up and helps us pay our mortgage (aids our
hearts in riches of exhortation / encouragement). There is the
danger when regarding this to forget your foundation and how we are
first and foremost put the Lord first in our lives. We go to Him
first for everything. If we put our expectations on others we will
fall because others can't fill us like the Lord can, to overflowing.
Yet we should keep in mind that we are his hands and feet and He uses
us to minister to others.
>
> Looks like there are those benefitting from this store but not
paying in a similar way.
>
> Sounds like this store manager / owner could use the help. She
seems to have her hands full and her employees appear like they could
use some training.
>
> I don't feel the need to summarize here as it seems to play out
fine as a story. Looks like the Lord is revealing things regarding
your prayers.
>
> Hope this helps some. I saw so much rich details here and didn't
resist the opportunity to share. God bless you and thank for sharing
as I find these things insightful. You know what to do with what may
not fit.
>
> Love in Him.
> Joanne
> For your prayerful consideration.
>
> I like what Dennis said as it seemed insightful. Like Dennis, I
also don't know if it all fits. Like what I read Linda say here
somewhere about us seeing in pictures so I think this is something
you know and understand that the details may not be right on but
picture may be more in focus. That was very helpful as I remember my
brother saying something similar once and I had forgotten so it was a
nice reminder.
>
> Guess it could also work vice versa.
>
> You and hubby (whomever He may represent) are out and about
possibly looking for gifts to give others (spiritual gifts?).
>
> This chair appears to be like one of those luxurious massage
warmer chairs that just ease the tension and pain out of the body
after a long day. I am thinking symbolic as to what I said there.
>
> Appears that you notice this chair when you were at another
location dining / fellowshipping with others. I don't know what a
breezeway is but just the term conjurs up a passage for Holy Spirit
breezes. Looks like you are seeing this chair, details, and sign
through the window / Spiritual insight.
>
> The money to put down on it reminds me of the parable the
talents. You mentioned "down on it" so I am thinking more along the
lines of a deposit like how the Holy Spirit is the deposit of all the
lovely things in Jesus for us. (Ephesians 1)
>
> Looks like hubby lets you go to choose the finishing touches on
this chair. I am thinking the fabric indicates things catered to
us. Maybe this will help:
>
> I like to say that there are different threads that make up the
fabric of our lives. In other words, like our background, culture,
beliefs, experiences, etc.
>
> It looks like hubby is going to allow you to choose the type of
fabric you want on it / cater the outward appearance / design to suit
you.
>
> When I think of curtains in dream I think of how they can be used
to reveal and conceal things. It could be a scene, light, etc.
Insulation generally adds more padding to a home to keep it warm
(believe that's its purpose). It may be similar for the curtains.
>
> You enter and recognize the high quality. I am thinking this may
be regarding riches in heaven, like how Spiritual things gained are
of higher quality. You know that it will cost more, like how Jesus
said to count the cost. Cost may be in reference to denying self yet
you are aware that Nathan will pay the price.
>
> The ordering aspect of it reminds me how I have been viewing at
times furniture in dreams. Furniture is an addition to a home and
may speak of more tangible things, like experiences and wisdom we may
have gained in our journey. So this one reminds you of that, like
maybe how we can just order an experience that appears to be more
like telemarketing instead of something more quality. But you do
appear to recognize that this particular chair is different. You
know this one is a better quality. Not like this "hut" place.
>
> So now you are in and you appear to notice the lack of
floorspace, which may indicate not enough room to adequately display
these items. You take notice of the manager whom you seem to have
met before.
>
> She's busy and curt. Probably too much on her hands and it may
be effecting how well she can adequately minister to others. Like
how sometimes we feel we don't have the time to relate on a more
personal level because there just doesn't appear to be enough time
for it due to having our hands full.
>
> Ok, so now you have this saleslady that is trying to convince you
that you need more than you actually do and you appear to recognize
that her heart intentions may not be right on. You feel it is more
about her than the customer. Reminds me like how some may feel they
have to earn things from our Lord instead of excepting it as the free
gift that it is and exercising good stewardship.
>
> Oh, think I got ahead of myself on the curt part. It appears now
she is curt with you do to being swamped. Yet she does appear to
make an effort to help you. Looks like you have been given some
insight as to why this lady that you may know may come accross as
curt at some point.
>
> With the woolies scene next it appears that you recognize these
business women (who may represent women that relate more on business
level) want help and there are many and you get out of line, like
giving up your turn, so that they can be helped.
>
> So looks like you have that deposit in your hands and now this
guy in there wants to sell you the curtain rods an other things and
you got this other lady too. Sounds like they feel you should have
these things for whatever reason and you appear to recognize that you
don't. I don't care for the pressure tactic as I don't believe the
Lord pressures us but woos us. There may be times He may use more
sobering measures but I don't associate pressure with Him. Do you?
The lady appears to be working with half sight.
>
> Ok, so looks like you leave then have a change of heart and go
back. Looks like you recognize that they are working for commission
and you don't appreciate that. Commission can be tricky because
there is that temptation to forget about the customers needs and just
think about earning that commission check. You mention hubby being
a fine aritist and how He can do make one for you.
>
> This scene where you mention hubby here conjurs up a picture for
me where at times we may feel we don't need others because we have a
union as one with another that we recognize as being gifted. I can
see where this pressure thing can have a negative effect.
>
> The saleslady appears to believe that you don't understand.
>
> So now you preach to them about being kind to others. You know
you were sent there by God like you now see another reason for having
been sent to this store. The part that you mention with the people
with money that may come in conjurs up a picture of where someone may
have gift or talent that they can impart to us in exchange for the
furniture but we may miss that because we may shut them out / turn
them off due to being unkind. And isn't that how it often is, when
we give we do receive.
>
> So you withhold some personal information as the Holy Spirit
leads. This reminds me of how at times we may be led by the Holy
Spirit to do just that so the focus is not lost. Like to keep the
focus on the message and not us. I think a good comparison may be
this:
>
> 1 Corinthians 1:
> 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the
gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be
emptied of its power.
>
> You may want to prayerfull read the whole chapter. One I hold
dear and think you may too.
>
> Ok, this next thing about what the Lord put on your mind reminded
me of this. One time I was sad because I didn't persevere through
something and I felt the Lord showed me in a dream not to beat myself
up because if others were living with me they should have paid me
rent then I would not be worried if I had enough money to pay my
mortgage.
>
> Like how we may be providing a service to others in a spiritual
sense and if they are benefitting they should say so (pay rent) for
that helps to build us up and helps us pay our mortgage (aids our
hearts in riches of exhortation / encouragement). There is the
danger when regarding this to forget your foundation and how we are
first and foremost put the Lord first in our lives. We go to Him
first for everything. If we put our expectations on others we will
fall because others can't fill us like the Lord can, to overflowing.
Yet we should keep in mind that we are his hands and feet and He uses
us to minister to others.
>
> Looks like there are those benefitting from this store but not
paying in a similar way.
>
> Sounds like this store manager / owner could use the help. She
seems to have her hands full and her employees appear like they could
use some training.
>
> I don't feel the need to summarize here as it seems to play out
fine as a story. Looks like the Lord is revealing things regarding
your prayers.
>
> Hope this helps some. I saw so much rich details here and didn't
resist the opportunity to share. God bless you and thank for sharing
as I find these things insightful. You know what to do with what may
not fit.
>
> Love in Him.
> Joanne
-
talitha
my response to Joann
I love that you thought of giving out spiritual gifts in connection
with Christmas shopping..... that really sits well with my spirit
and the direction I'm headed, I think.....
Your words have reminded me to consider the position of the chair in
front of the window - it's one of being on display, but it also gives
a certain perspective. That in turn reminds me of my "position" on
the worship team - on the platform - I'm in this time of intimacy
with the Lord and it's kind of on display - but at the same time I
have a sort of window on what's happening spiritually with the
congregation. In the breezeway, so to speak - I love that insight!
Not sure what you're getting at in the part with the money....
At any rate, yes, it does seem that the DH is letting me choose the
details on the chair - and that does indeed reflect some things about
my relationship with Him and my ministering..... He wants to use me
in certain general ways, but I get to choose how to dress it up
oftentimes - there is room for creativity - and He has made me a
creative person, so that's great by me! Oh, and this particular kind
of chair looked like what I call a "television chair" - a seat or
place for telling a vision - and the curtain could have to do with
opening or closing, choosing to be private sometimes and not 'tell'
the vision....
You spoke of reasons for insulated curtains - one reason that stands
out right now is privacy - and the word "woolies" is in reality used
for winter undergarments designed for warmth - the warmth is a
private thing and the method for staying so warm is concealed by
outer garments..... this whole thought process reinforces the idea
of everything proceding from this "foundation" of a warm, soothing
relationship with the Lord.....
I agree with you that the "upscale" quality of the store and
merchandise having to do with spiritual riches - but I also think the
Lord might also be bringing me to a new place in terms of literal
provision as well - I need to not let this "turn my head" so to
speak - just because the provision is there doesn't mean I need to
lose my focus and just go grab-happy.
In general I tend to think of furniture as "furnishing" or equipping"
the body of Christ..... Could it be that the Lord was furnishing me
with a chair and curtains, this speaking of what will be necessary
for the next leg of my journey? The lack of floorspace - hmm - could
it be that there is overstock because people are not willig to pay
the price for the finer things that the Lord would like to equip them
with?
It's sad that the salespeople were so inept - could they represent
leaders and Christian workers who are focused on their own visions
and want others to buy into that? oooh this thing is opening up for
me while I'm trying to respond to you..... LOL..... I'm remembering
that the African American lady was trying to sell me an "early
American" style loveseat with oak trim, old fashioned to me,
traditional, not my style - then the other lady with the half-glasses
was trying to sell me heavy curtain rods and other window-dressing.
The owner/manager wanted to do the minimum possible to get me in and
out of the store, and the stock man was just working hard, doing what
he was told. The customers were all pale-faced and weary-looking,
all bundled up in winter-wear, and had their hands full, literally.
I think these details might be relevant.
You said, "This scene where you mention hubby here conjurs up a
picture for me where at times we may feel we don't need others
because we have a union as one with another that we recognize as
being gifted. I can see where this pressure thing can have a
negative effect." So are you saying that maybe I should have
looked at the curtain rods, but the whole pressure thing was causing
a knee-jerk reaction that became a problem as well? hmmm.... I
thought about the rod being correction? and maybe hubby knows how to
correct me in a way that is not harsh? or foreign? (sadly that is
not true in general - hubby has a difficult time correcting me - so I
really do think this is about Jesus and not him)
hmmm, still thinking over some things you said.... the
owner/manager - seems that she has been bitten so to speak before by
people who could not or would not fulfill their duties (per sales
contract) so she is reluctant to trust someone again who does not
look a certain way (I was very aware in that store of my WalMart
clothes and feeling kind of urchin-like).
When you say that it plays out well as a story, do you think that I
should then pay attention to the sequence of events, cause and effect
and so forth?
Again, thanks for your thoughts - lots to chew on there.....
I love that you thought of giving out spiritual gifts in connection
with Christmas shopping..... that really sits well with my spirit
and the direction I'm headed, I think.....
Your words have reminded me to consider the position of the chair in
front of the window - it's one of being on display, but it also gives
a certain perspective. That in turn reminds me of my "position" on
the worship team - on the platform - I'm in this time of intimacy
with the Lord and it's kind of on display - but at the same time I
have a sort of window on what's happening spiritually with the
congregation. In the breezeway, so to speak - I love that insight!
Not sure what you're getting at in the part with the money....
At any rate, yes, it does seem that the DH is letting me choose the
details on the chair - and that does indeed reflect some things about
my relationship with Him and my ministering..... He wants to use me
in certain general ways, but I get to choose how to dress it up
oftentimes - there is room for creativity - and He has made me a
creative person, so that's great by me! Oh, and this particular kind
of chair looked like what I call a "television chair" - a seat or
place for telling a vision - and the curtain could have to do with
opening or closing, choosing to be private sometimes and not 'tell'
the vision....
You spoke of reasons for insulated curtains - one reason that stands
out right now is privacy - and the word "woolies" is in reality used
for winter undergarments designed for warmth - the warmth is a
private thing and the method for staying so warm is concealed by
outer garments..... this whole thought process reinforces the idea
of everything proceding from this "foundation" of a warm, soothing
relationship with the Lord.....
I agree with you that the "upscale" quality of the store and
merchandise having to do with spiritual riches - but I also think the
Lord might also be bringing me to a new place in terms of literal
provision as well - I need to not let this "turn my head" so to
speak - just because the provision is there doesn't mean I need to
lose my focus and just go grab-happy.
In general I tend to think of furniture as "furnishing" or equipping"
the body of Christ..... Could it be that the Lord was furnishing me
with a chair and curtains, this speaking of what will be necessary
for the next leg of my journey? The lack of floorspace - hmm - could
it be that there is overstock because people are not willig to pay
the price for the finer things that the Lord would like to equip them
with?
It's sad that the salespeople were so inept - could they represent
leaders and Christian workers who are focused on their own visions
and want others to buy into that? oooh this thing is opening up for
me while I'm trying to respond to you..... LOL..... I'm remembering
that the African American lady was trying to sell me an "early
American" style loveseat with oak trim, old fashioned to me,
traditional, not my style - then the other lady with the half-glasses
was trying to sell me heavy curtain rods and other window-dressing.
The owner/manager wanted to do the minimum possible to get me in and
out of the store, and the stock man was just working hard, doing what
he was told. The customers were all pale-faced and weary-looking,
all bundled up in winter-wear, and had their hands full, literally.
I think these details might be relevant.
You said, "This scene where you mention hubby here conjurs up a
picture for me where at times we may feel we don't need others
because we have a union as one with another that we recognize as
being gifted. I can see where this pressure thing can have a
negative effect." So are you saying that maybe I should have
looked at the curtain rods, but the whole pressure thing was causing
a knee-jerk reaction that became a problem as well? hmmm.... I
thought about the rod being correction? and maybe hubby knows how to
correct me in a way that is not harsh? or foreign? (sadly that is
not true in general - hubby has a difficult time correcting me - so I
really do think this is about Jesus and not him)
hmmm, still thinking over some things you said.... the
owner/manager - seems that she has been bitten so to speak before by
people who could not or would not fulfill their duties (per sales
contract) so she is reluctant to trust someone again who does not
look a certain way (I was very aware in that store of my WalMart
clothes and feeling kind of urchin-like).
When you say that it plays out well as a story, do you think that I
should then pay attention to the sequence of events, cause and effect
and so forth?
Again, thanks for your thoughts - lots to chew on there.....
Are you called to A Spanish country in Missions?
After reading this... I agree with you some what. I had to believe this is speaking of a promotion... and not rest. The sales person is not actually being pushy.... this lady could have been working on Gods behalf to tell you the chair He wants is not big enough for the both of you. The promotion is for the both of you as a team. Are you called to A Spanish country in Missions?
Carved wood rods could represent the Holy Spirit. The table could be commutation: agreement and covenant. Because of the woman was desperate for money...I feel the LORD could be speaking this scripture.
Psalms 78:19 Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness?(KJV)
Perhaps their is some one you know who seems to be going through a wilderness experience. One thing you can count on.... God may not always come when you want Him to... but He is always shows up on time.
Carved wood rods could represent the Holy Spirit. The table could be commutation: agreement and covenant. Because of the woman was desperate for money...I feel the LORD could be speaking this scripture.
Psalms 78:19 Yea, they spake against God; they said, Can God furnish a table in the wilderness?(KJV)
Perhaps their is some one you know who seems to be going through a wilderness experience. One thing you can count on.... God may not always come when you want Him to... but He is always shows up on time.
"Worry looks around, Sorry looks back, Faith looks up."
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Hi Tal,
5am! Hey, that’s when I got up, too, after going to bed near midnight. (YAAAAWNNNN)
WHOA!!! Wow, what awesome responses, and incredible insight in the replies and in your responses to them. I am learning “bucketfuls” by reading this posting. Thanks for it! I’m not sure what else I can add, but I thought that I’d post my thoughts in case something resonates or adds a spark of thought or a little clarity to what’s already been given to you.
Chair – a position of service (or of waiting on the LORD to be put into service?)
$50 – weigh and measure the cost - the cost is ‘serving;’ serving Christ in ministry. You wrote that you feel furniture can symbolize “equipping the body of Christ;” this to me confirms the ministry symbolism of the chair. [Hmm, just had a thought – you don’t “own” the chair yet. Perhaps this is also about “equipping” you to “equip” others in this ministry!]
Your husband – represents Christ, your Husband.
This position is expensive – But Christ will pay the price (could be to encourage you that Christ will cover all the financial aspects and “hand” it to you); He will give you everything you need.
Woolies, very nice insulated curtains – like vision “blockers” that “insulate” (or separate) you from things outside. You’re to focus on the task at hand, and to not get distracted by setting your eyes on other things.
Across a breezeway – you have a view of this ministry in/through the Spirit, not from INside the ministry, but looking over at it (an “overview” perhaps)
Chair would massage and warm – this ministry is to encourage and enliven people (spiritually; but maybe also emotionally, etc.)
Massage – increases blood flow, the flow of the blood of Christ over their lives; sooths sore muscles – a break from work; “Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.”
Warm – heartwarming, encouraging; enlivening
The fabric selection – I LOVE the comments about you choosing the “appearance” of the ministry, i.e. being able to apply your creativity to/in this ministry.
The Store: have you “browsed” or considered the idea of this ministry before?
Perhaps it means shopping for ways to use your “cash” (the resources or gifts you possess; i.e. what you personally have to ‘spend’ in a ministry)
Lots of merchandise –a lot to offer
Not much floor-space – hmm, might not be an easy place to “stand” for the truth; or “stand your ground”
African-American lady – perhaps she symbolizes the challenges our dear sisters have had finding good jobs with adequate pay.
She’s well dressed (as are the other sales people) – possibly means giving the appearance of “having it all together”
But the salespeople are desperate for money – despite surface appearances they are actually lacking (no money), could mean they need spiritual resources
You tell them you understand – ministry, compassion, a reaching out to others from a common place of; understanding; identifying with their situation (I think this could refer to where you are right now; in a place of ‘training’ to minister to folks like this.)
Salesmen/women coming to sell to you – trying to get you “off mission” or “off focus” by “cluttering” the perception of your goal, perhaps. (Use those Woolies!)
Sales is supposed to be a service position; but they were using it trying to “get for themselves”; but you come to recognize it is out of their need; their motives are not necessarily greed, but for self-preservation. [Note-- Although I believe this has a spiritual interp, a lot of sales people really ARE only in their jobs because they can’t find anything else now-a-days. Sales is a “last resort” for many, unfortunately. (Not always; some are ‘gifted’ in sales)]
Women shoppers getting impatient... – (‘Spose their Christmas shopping? LOLOL)
... So you get out of the line to make your decision – I think this could mean stepping out of the norm, the accepted way; the way things are supposed to “line up,” or are expected to happen; an unconventional way to make the choice – using your creativity!
....To look at the fabric selections – again, using your creativity! An opportunity to choose a “covering” for this ministry that is “fitted” to you.
Preaching about being kind – ministering to them, redirecting their focus, their goals. Since sales is supposed to be a service job, but they’re “in it for themselves,” they need their focus redirected.
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I believe this dream was given in response to your prayer about ministering to people in the business world. I think God is revealing to you that he has put this ministry on your heart (He gives you His order for the chair), and he has been working already to bring it to pass (the chair is waiting).
I also think a message in this dream is that some of what you’ve experienced personally in your life has been to prepare and train you for this ministry of reaching out to others in the business world who, despite surface appearances, are hurting and wounded inside, desperate in their need for God and a proper focus and encouragement, (and are possibly even wounded physically by being in need of financial means). God is giving you the training to be able to touch their hearts on a personal level, and redirect their lives into one of true service, outward looking.
You have a ministry gift for, and have been prepared to encourage and comfort those in the business world, and lead them to Christ. (BTW – No doubt people in nations around the world are in the same situation. You could perform this ministry wherever God leads you.)
I love the thought that God wants you to snuggle up in this wonderful, comfy chair with Him, pull the Woolies shut, and spend some special time with Him.
He loves you so much!
BTW – you absolutely have got to read John Bevere’s book, Honors Reward. It touches on so much of what a ministry in this field would/should entail. It’s awesome!
After reading the other responses, it seems there is great depth, and many facets to this dream. What an awesome God we serve! Praises to Him for speaking to you, and teaching so many of us, through His gift of this dream.
Hugs & blessings,
Lily
P.S. Just had an after thought. You mention in your follow-up response that the shoppers have pale faces and get impatient. Perhaps this could indicate that they, too, could benefit from your ministry. If you help the sales people, the effect will flow to the shoppers as well.
P.P.S. I was ready to post this and asked God if there was anything else I should add, and I felt it wasn't complete yet. Then He put on my heart what it was. He wanted me to tell you He loves you.
5am! Hey, that’s when I got up, too, after going to bed near midnight. (YAAAAWNNNN)
WHOA!!! Wow, what awesome responses, and incredible insight in the replies and in your responses to them. I am learning “bucketfuls” by reading this posting. Thanks for it! I’m not sure what else I can add, but I thought that I’d post my thoughts in case something resonates or adds a spark of thought or a little clarity to what’s already been given to you.
Chair – a position of service (or of waiting on the LORD to be put into service?)
$50 – weigh and measure the cost - the cost is ‘serving;’ serving Christ in ministry. You wrote that you feel furniture can symbolize “equipping the body of Christ;” this to me confirms the ministry symbolism of the chair. [Hmm, just had a thought – you don’t “own” the chair yet. Perhaps this is also about “equipping” you to “equip” others in this ministry!]
Your husband – represents Christ, your Husband.
This position is expensive – But Christ will pay the price (could be to encourage you that Christ will cover all the financial aspects and “hand” it to you); He will give you everything you need.
Woolies, very nice insulated curtains – like vision “blockers” that “insulate” (or separate) you from things outside. You’re to focus on the task at hand, and to not get distracted by setting your eyes on other things.
Across a breezeway – you have a view of this ministry in/through the Spirit, not from INside the ministry, but looking over at it (an “overview” perhaps)
Chair would massage and warm – this ministry is to encourage and enliven people (spiritually; but maybe also emotionally, etc.)
Massage – increases blood flow, the flow of the blood of Christ over their lives; sooths sore muscles – a break from work; “Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.”
Warm – heartwarming, encouraging; enlivening
The fabric selection – I LOVE the comments about you choosing the “appearance” of the ministry, i.e. being able to apply your creativity to/in this ministry.
The Store: have you “browsed” or considered the idea of this ministry before?
Perhaps it means shopping for ways to use your “cash” (the resources or gifts you possess; i.e. what you personally have to ‘spend’ in a ministry)
Lots of merchandise –a lot to offer
Not much floor-space – hmm, might not be an easy place to “stand” for the truth; or “stand your ground”
African-American lady – perhaps she symbolizes the challenges our dear sisters have had finding good jobs with adequate pay.
She’s well dressed (as are the other sales people) – possibly means giving the appearance of “having it all together”
But the salespeople are desperate for money – despite surface appearances they are actually lacking (no money), could mean they need spiritual resources
You tell them you understand – ministry, compassion, a reaching out to others from a common place of; understanding; identifying with their situation (I think this could refer to where you are right now; in a place of ‘training’ to minister to folks like this.)
Salesmen/women coming to sell to you – trying to get you “off mission” or “off focus” by “cluttering” the perception of your goal, perhaps. (Use those Woolies!)
Sales is supposed to be a service position; but they were using it trying to “get for themselves”; but you come to recognize it is out of their need; their motives are not necessarily greed, but for self-preservation. [Note-- Although I believe this has a spiritual interp, a lot of sales people really ARE only in their jobs because they can’t find anything else now-a-days. Sales is a “last resort” for many, unfortunately. (Not always; some are ‘gifted’ in sales)]
Women shoppers getting impatient... – (‘Spose their Christmas shopping? LOLOL)
... So you get out of the line to make your decision – I think this could mean stepping out of the norm, the accepted way; the way things are supposed to “line up,” or are expected to happen; an unconventional way to make the choice – using your creativity!
....To look at the fabric selections – again, using your creativity! An opportunity to choose a “covering” for this ministry that is “fitted” to you.
Preaching about being kind – ministering to them, redirecting their focus, their goals. Since sales is supposed to be a service job, but they’re “in it for themselves,” they need their focus redirected.
***
I believe this dream was given in response to your prayer about ministering to people in the business world. I think God is revealing to you that he has put this ministry on your heart (He gives you His order for the chair), and he has been working already to bring it to pass (the chair is waiting).
I also think a message in this dream is that some of what you’ve experienced personally in your life has been to prepare and train you for this ministry of reaching out to others in the business world who, despite surface appearances, are hurting and wounded inside, desperate in their need for God and a proper focus and encouragement, (and are possibly even wounded physically by being in need of financial means). God is giving you the training to be able to touch their hearts on a personal level, and redirect their lives into one of true service, outward looking.
You have a ministry gift for, and have been prepared to encourage and comfort those in the business world, and lead them to Christ. (BTW – No doubt people in nations around the world are in the same situation. You could perform this ministry wherever God leads you.)
I love the thought that God wants you to snuggle up in this wonderful, comfy chair with Him, pull the Woolies shut, and spend some special time with Him.
He loves you so much! BTW – you absolutely have got to read John Bevere’s book, Honors Reward. It touches on so much of what a ministry in this field would/should entail. It’s awesome!
After reading the other responses, it seems there is great depth, and many facets to this dream. What an awesome God we serve! Praises to Him for speaking to you, and teaching so many of us, through His gift of this dream.
Hugs & blessings,
Lily
P.S. Just had an after thought. You mention in your follow-up response that the shoppers have pale faces and get impatient. Perhaps this could indicate that they, too, could benefit from your ministry. If you help the sales people, the effect will flow to the shoppers as well.
P.P.S. I was ready to post this and asked God if there was anything else I should add, and I felt it wasn't complete yet. Then He put on my heart what it was. He wanted me to tell you He loves you.
"...All things are possible to him who believes." Mark 9:23b
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talitha
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talitha
ohhh still haven't had a chance to pore over this...... here's joann's epistle...... 
McFatter, that's where I saw that name before, "Raging Beauty". I'll have to get me that one. I haven't heard it yet but I like the name. It's radical.
Maybe it will help more to give an overall view of what I may see as that often helps since I can be quite detailed.
Overall, it looks to me that this dream may be regarding understanding what you and hubby's needs and wants are and not allowing the opinions of others misdirect you. You seem to be fine on that point in the dream.
It seems during this personal process for you, you are privileged in seeing areas that need adjusting and are lacking and feel you have a call from God himself in this area.
Ok, to elaborate a bit more, that is what I got on the furnishings. I don't have dreams where the focus is the furniture so only recently have I been prayerfully pondering what the Lord may be telling others there. You said you generally see it as equipping. I like that as that adds more clarity for me. I was thinking it may have something to do with things like our experiences, wisdom and things we have gained on our journeys. You also used the term vision so in a sense I'm thing it could be considered our vision at times.
These things can be on display for others and help us relate and share, which may help us understand what the Lord may be saying to us personally. The danger comes in when we try to push our vision (borrowing your term) on others. The Good Sheperd is more than adequate at leading his sheep. Although we all travel the same main road, there are other things catered to our personal journey due to the fabric of our lives and where we are at on the journey (maturity, progress, etc). I personally (personal opinion alert) don't see anything wrong with sharing, unless the Lord tells us not to and also wisdom should be exercised. Yet if I start pushing my opinion on how you should go, to me that is out of line. Jesus will speak to us personally and we should not follow the voice of another. Yes, He can use and will use others at times to give us a word but that word should confirm what He speaks to us. And it may be that the time is off so not necessarily that someone missed the mark but maybe the Lord hadn't spoken that word to us yet. We need to allow His voice to lead and "check" us.
Anyway, you probably know that already. That is just what I saw wrong with the pushy salespeople.
Yes, I got that too about the warmth but I like how you shared it. I had considered how you are sensing a more businesslike (colder?) manner from these business women and how you were speaking about warmth and I was thinking also how it starts with our relationship with the Lord and saw a tie to the chair.
Oh, almost forgot. I also had a thought that this chair appears different and quite valuable because it probably represented your own personal time with the Lord. Your own personal equipping (as you see it). We may be able to benefit from others but we really need that one on one with the Lord. We are stars and our light pales in significance to direct Son light. Only He has the power to open the eyes and ears and hearts.
The scene where I mention what you said about hubby being a fine artist was just me giving what I felt I saw. I try not to say whether moves are right or wrong. I may have a personal opinion that I feel fine sharing for others to prayerfully ponder. Yet, I also believe the Good Sheperd can more than adequately lead his sheep so I try and be cautious there.
Two scenarios did come to mind at that time:
1. If hubby represented Jesus, that you were stressing my sentiments on the Lord leading his sheep and what a fine artist He is.
2. That there may be something you can benefit from them, if even a tiny nugget but their approach may be preventing you from seeing and being open to that. Like how someone may have a beam in their eye and we detect it and that is often why we may not see a mote in ours (if there even is a mote).
Either way, you appear to be confident on what you need from that store.
Considering that this confidence is probably due to not hearing from the Lord that you need anything more, I didn't deem it necessary to share those two view as I thought it may confuse things and figured you would know what the Lord would speak to you about there.
It also seems that you may have been given some insight in this dream regarding what the issues are there. The manager / owner seeming very busy may be the Lord's way of letting you know that may be, at least partially, why these salespeople are not adequately trianed. The first responsibility lies with each personally seeking guidance from the Lord. Yet the Lord may be showing you this secondary neighbor to neighbor responsibility. They may just need some help in finding the Son and our sisters and brethren in Christ can be that norhtern star that shows them the way to the Son where they will also find warmth and comfort and they also can minister from that personal one on one with the Son.
There just seems to be some things I picked up along those lines too.
What you said about hubby and the creativity he is bringing out in you is sort of like what I mean about the money portion. The Lord gives us talents in measures as He sees fit and will entrust us with more if we are good stewards of it. Also, we know all good things come from the Lord and the down payment into all good things the Lord deposits within, is the Holy Spirit. That's was it reminded me of.
What I said at the end was more how I felt that there were so many wonderful things in here that I liked it as it is played out here. I could see several main messages but the one that appears paramount to me is others pushing their opinions / visions on an individual.
Thanks for sharing and I liked what you shared. Guess you got a taste of my fabric . I know, it is a bit much. This is how I am made. I mean I just can't look at a picture and say "nice". No, I gotta take the thing apart and say, "Do you see those colors, wow. And how about those lines? Look at what they used for a background setting. Oh, oh, look, that looks like a bird up in the sky over by that house."
Yet the Lord has personally Spiritually imparted to me not to lose the simplicity that is in Christ as I use how He made me for his glory and service.
Welcome to my world. It has been a very freeing and blessed thing for me to be comfortable in how the Lord made me. I don't have to conform myself to what others think of me. God knows how He made me and my heart. He is more than adequate at keeping me in check.
Hey, you want me to talk to them saleswomen for you. Then again, that last paragraph sounds similar to your speech. And at the same time, I can relate to them. We can't do better unless we know better. It may be more of a matter of ignorance. I know the Lord can show you with each what may be at the root, if He sees fit to share that and it looks like He may already be showing you something corporately along those lines.
Thanks for sharing once again. I like reading these as it also helps me to see what the Lord is doing in others' lives and speaking to them. Not to follow how He personally caters certain things to them. More to expand my vision.
Love in Him.
Joanne
McFatter, that's where I saw that name before, "Raging Beauty". I'll have to get me that one. I haven't heard it yet but I like the name. It's radical. Maybe it will help more to give an overall view of what I may see as that often helps since I can be quite detailed.
Overall, it looks to me that this dream may be regarding understanding what you and hubby's needs and wants are and not allowing the opinions of others misdirect you. You seem to be fine on that point in the dream.
It seems during this personal process for you, you are privileged in seeing areas that need adjusting and are lacking and feel you have a call from God himself in this area.
Ok, to elaborate a bit more, that is what I got on the furnishings. I don't have dreams where the focus is the furniture so only recently have I been prayerfully pondering what the Lord may be telling others there. You said you generally see it as equipping. I like that as that adds more clarity for me. I was thinking it may have something to do with things like our experiences, wisdom and things we have gained on our journeys. You also used the term vision so in a sense I'm thing it could be considered our vision at times.
These things can be on display for others and help us relate and share, which may help us understand what the Lord may be saying to us personally. The danger comes in when we try to push our vision (borrowing your term) on others. The Good Sheperd is more than adequate at leading his sheep. Although we all travel the same main road, there are other things catered to our personal journey due to the fabric of our lives and where we are at on the journey (maturity, progress, etc). I personally (personal opinion alert) don't see anything wrong with sharing, unless the Lord tells us not to and also wisdom should be exercised. Yet if I start pushing my opinion on how you should go, to me that is out of line. Jesus will speak to us personally and we should not follow the voice of another. Yes, He can use and will use others at times to give us a word but that word should confirm what He speaks to us. And it may be that the time is off so not necessarily that someone missed the mark but maybe the Lord hadn't spoken that word to us yet. We need to allow His voice to lead and "check" us.
Anyway, you probably know that already. That is just what I saw wrong with the pushy salespeople.
Yes, I got that too about the warmth but I like how you shared it. I had considered how you are sensing a more businesslike (colder?) manner from these business women and how you were speaking about warmth and I was thinking also how it starts with our relationship with the Lord and saw a tie to the chair.
Oh, almost forgot. I also had a thought that this chair appears different and quite valuable because it probably represented your own personal time with the Lord. Your own personal equipping (as you see it). We may be able to benefit from others but we really need that one on one with the Lord. We are stars and our light pales in significance to direct Son light. Only He has the power to open the eyes and ears and hearts.
The scene where I mention what you said about hubby being a fine artist was just me giving what I felt I saw. I try not to say whether moves are right or wrong. I may have a personal opinion that I feel fine sharing for others to prayerfully ponder. Yet, I also believe the Good Sheperd can more than adequately lead his sheep so I try and be cautious there.
Two scenarios did come to mind at that time:
1. If hubby represented Jesus, that you were stressing my sentiments on the Lord leading his sheep and what a fine artist He is.
2. That there may be something you can benefit from them, if even a tiny nugget but their approach may be preventing you from seeing and being open to that. Like how someone may have a beam in their eye and we detect it and that is often why we may not see a mote in ours (if there even is a mote).
Either way, you appear to be confident on what you need from that store.
Considering that this confidence is probably due to not hearing from the Lord that you need anything more, I didn't deem it necessary to share those two view as I thought it may confuse things and figured you would know what the Lord would speak to you about there.
It also seems that you may have been given some insight in this dream regarding what the issues are there. The manager / owner seeming very busy may be the Lord's way of letting you know that may be, at least partially, why these salespeople are not adequately trianed. The first responsibility lies with each personally seeking guidance from the Lord. Yet the Lord may be showing you this secondary neighbor to neighbor responsibility. They may just need some help in finding the Son and our sisters and brethren in Christ can be that norhtern star that shows them the way to the Son where they will also find warmth and comfort and they also can minister from that personal one on one with the Son.
There just seems to be some things I picked up along those lines too.
What you said about hubby and the creativity he is bringing out in you is sort of like what I mean about the money portion. The Lord gives us talents in measures as He sees fit and will entrust us with more if we are good stewards of it. Also, we know all good things come from the Lord and the down payment into all good things the Lord deposits within, is the Holy Spirit. That's was it reminded me of.
What I said at the end was more how I felt that there were so many wonderful things in here that I liked it as it is played out here. I could see several main messages but the one that appears paramount to me is others pushing their opinions / visions on an individual.
Thanks for sharing and I liked what you shared. Guess you got a taste of my fabric . I know, it is a bit much. This is how I am made. I mean I just can't look at a picture and say "nice". No, I gotta take the thing apart and say, "Do you see those colors, wow. And how about those lines? Look at what they used for a background setting. Oh, oh, look, that looks like a bird up in the sky over by that house."
Yet the Lord has personally Spiritually imparted to me not to lose the simplicity that is in Christ as I use how He made me for his glory and service.
Welcome to my world. It has been a very freeing and blessed thing for me to be comfortable in how the Lord made me. I don't have to conform myself to what others think of me. God knows how He made me and my heart. He is more than adequate at keeping me in check.
Hey, you want me to talk to them saleswomen for you. Then again, that last paragraph sounds similar to your speech. And at the same time, I can relate to them. We can't do better unless we know better. It may be more of a matter of ignorance. I know the Lord can show you with each what may be at the root, if He sees fit to share that and it looks like He may already be showing you something corporately along those lines.
Thanks for sharing once again. I like reading these as it also helps me to see what the Lord is doing in others' lives and speaking to them. Not to follow how He personally caters certain things to them. More to expand my vision.
Love in Him.
Joanne
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Joy2dream
Tal,
Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. I wanted to be sure it was quite and all the Christmas hullabaloo was outta the way. Anyway the Lord was giving me pieces of it during that time and the rest as I typed. I pray I have not allowed "me" to seep into this interp, if you feel like I have please feel free to discard. I do feel very certain about the woolies and the chair interps.
May the Lord Jesus continue to bless and keep you guys.
Love,
Joy
We were out and about, running errands, possibly Christmas shopping, (Taking care of things that have to be done.) and my husband Nathan asked if I had bought "the chair". He really wanted it. (Seeing this as a position, "the chair" is an exact position. Seeing the buying as buying into the position.) He gave me some money to put down on it, I think fifty dollars. (Seeing the putting money down on it as Nathan being down with it, slang for he is in favor of the chair. Not putting a lot into the $50 because you think it was $50 and not sure so it isn't standing out in the dream. If you feel like it was important then you know enough about the number 50 to get the interp for it ) In the dream I remembered that we had seen this chair in a store window (a vision in store/in the future) from another place (restaurant?) across a breezeway. (Seeing another place across the breezeway as another location across the ocean.) It was a chair that would "massage and warm" - there was a sign to that effect next to it in the window. (The sign that it will massage and warm I see as a message that this "chair" will massage and warm you giftings that are already in place.) I left Nathan and went to the store to order the chair and choose a fabric, (You're in a position to choose the covering you want.) but before he left, he told me to get some "woolies".
I knew in the dream that what he meant was curtains with insulation, really nice curtains. (Seeing the woolies curtains as a covering for your Seer giftings. Imagine eyelids over your eyes. The lashes keep debris out and the lids insulate from anything that tries to get in the eye. Still seeing bushy eyebrows also, LOL, sorry but I can see them over a window.
)
I went in the store which turned out to be an upscale place. I knew that this was going to be expensive, but I also knew that Nathan would pay the price. (The chair will be expensive.) There was not much floorspace in the store - lots of merchandise. (Several items to choose from but you know exactly what you want.) I passed by the manager (or owner?) who it seemed I was acquainted with in the dream (seems I'd come in to browse before and she'd been very friendly) - she was busy - and I went to get a closer look at the chair in the window. It was designed like one of the novelty TV chairs that you can probably order from something like FingerHut, but of course it was well made with nice fabric on it to match the grouping in the store window. (Even though the fabic matches the grouping it is in you know that the chair can be moved and the fabric changed and the chair still work.)
A saleslady came up behind me, a very very well-dressed African-American lady, and I told her what I wanted. She suggested a matching loveseat, and I told her I just wanted the chair. She "nicely" pressured me, but I was firm. She began to argue with me and try to convince me that I couldn't buy only the chair, that things came in sets, yaddayadda, but I knew she was just trying for a higher commission, and we didn't need a room full of furniture. (I see this as your ability to know what you are able to take on and what you really don't need, even if it will benefit someone else you have to follow the lead of Nathan.)
I walked toward the manager with this saleslady following me, and there were suddenly customers in the store, all seemingly well-to-do women, all seemingly wanting help right then. The manager had her hands full, and she acted surprisingly curt to me, but she went to the sales counter and pulled out a fabric-sample book. Then I remembered I wanted "woolies". I told her, and she piled several samples on top of the fabric sample book.
(Just seeing this as the opportunity to pick your chair/curtains coverings.)
I started to look at these, but women behind me were getting impatient (I didn't blame them), so I got out of the line to make my decision. The whole time I had been holding the money or check (perhaps another indication that the money/check isn't important in the dream. What may be important is that Nathan put provision or down payment in your hand, thinking he may leave the final say up to you.) in my hand, and I went to a table with it under my arm and put the samples down to look at them. While I was looking, a man kept bringing carved wood curtain rods to the table, two or three at a time, and brackets and valence boards, but mostly the long curtain rods. Apparently in the dream this sort of Mexican-looking primitive-carved heavy wood curtain rod was in style, and these were to go with my "woolies". I realized this was another pressure tactic, and I was feeling rather crowded with all this stuff around me. Another saleslady came to me, one with longish hair and half-glasses, and tried to sell me curtain rods. (This lady wanting to sell you something else needed extra help in seeing close up (bifocals). Not sure who she represents, perhaps someone you know with a Seer gift but needs help to see the whole picture.)
Somewhere around this time, I was waking up,but in my mind the dream was still going on, not like I was making it happen, but more like I was still partly asleep, and this story was like a movie - it was going to continue whether I was asleep or not.
I got to a certain point of frustration where normally I would have just left the store and told my husband about the pressure sales people. I knew he would understand, but I also knew that he really wanted what he sent me for, and that it was time for me to stand up for myself. I told the second saleslady very plainly that I came for these two things and wasn't going to buy anything else - interjecting that my husband is an artist and would carve me a prettier curtain rod than any of these (he really is an artist, and I knew he would do this). (Again knowing exactly what you came for and sticking with the plan. I believe BJ mentioned this earlier. Also seeing that Nathan can make art for the covering.)
She started arguing with me, and I suddenly knew that she was desparate for money, that she and the other lady worked for straight commission, and that this second lady had looked everywhere for another job and had only found this one. I identified with this, and I started to tell her that I knew how hard it was to find a job nowadays, and that I understood her position. She said "you don't understand anything!" but I continued to reason with her and to talk, and I had many things to say. It was like I was starting to preach in the store about being kind - not only because it's the right thing to do, but because you never know when someone without much money could send in a client who does have money, because of the good service.
(Seeing this part as a play on the ladies needing you. They wanted you to buy more so they could be provided for.)
I thought about mentioning that hubby and I were missionaries (we might be soon), but the Spirit withheld me from saying that. I was sent there by God, I knew that now, but I was not sent there for them to take pity on me or to use His name to get a discount.
(Seeing this as being obedient to the Holy Spirit and not taking the position lightly. That you will not use the Name of the Lord in order order to get ahead in a way that isn't in His plan.)
Before I completely woke up, the Lord put it on my mind that I could actually help this store manager/owner, and that He wanted me to offer my services to her as a skip tracer (to look for people who owed the store money - it's something that I think I might actually be starting to do soon). I woke up fully before I said it, but I was also reminded after I awoke that recently I asked God to allow me to prophesy to businesspeople, and I told Him I would do it if He opened the door. (I have no idea what this part means unless it is for you to take this job as a skip tracer. I hope it is something you can do from another place other than Missouri though.)
This felt very real, by the way, and I tried to go back to sleep, but I felt that I was supposed to write this down. I got up around five o'clock AM to do that, even though I hadn't gone to bed until after midnight. (The number 5 means grace, redemption and anointing. Is the Lord calling you to rise to the occasion?)
blessings
tal
Sorry it took me so long to get back to this. I wanted to be sure it was quite and all the Christmas hullabaloo was outta the way. Anyway the Lord was giving me pieces of it during that time and the rest as I typed. I pray I have not allowed "me" to seep into this interp, if you feel like I have please feel free to discard. I do feel very certain about the woolies and the chair interps.
May the Lord Jesus continue to bless and keep you guys.
Love,
Joy
We were out and about, running errands, possibly Christmas shopping, (Taking care of things that have to be done.) and my husband Nathan asked if I had bought "the chair". He really wanted it. (Seeing this as a position, "the chair" is an exact position. Seeing the buying as buying into the position.) He gave me some money to put down on it, I think fifty dollars. (Seeing the putting money down on it as Nathan being down with it, slang for he is in favor of the chair. Not putting a lot into the $50 because you think it was $50 and not sure so it isn't standing out in the dream. If you feel like it was important then you know enough about the number 50 to get the interp for it
) In the dream I remembered that we had seen this chair in a store window (a vision in store/in the future) from another place (restaurant?) across a breezeway. (Seeing another place across the breezeway as another location across the ocean.) It was a chair that would "massage and warm" - there was a sign to that effect next to it in the window. (The sign that it will massage and warm I see as a message that this "chair" will massage and warm you giftings that are already in place.) I left Nathan and went to the store to order the chair and choose a fabric, (You're in a position to choose the covering you want.) but before he left, he told me to get some "woolies". I knew in the dream that what he meant was curtains with insulation, really nice curtains. (Seeing the woolies curtains as a covering for your Seer giftings. Imagine eyelids over your eyes. The lashes keep debris out and the lids insulate from anything that tries to get in the eye. Still seeing bushy eyebrows also, LOL, sorry but I can see them over a window.
)I went in the store which turned out to be an upscale place. I knew that this was going to be expensive, but I also knew that Nathan would pay the price. (The chair will be expensive.) There was not much floorspace in the store - lots of merchandise. (Several items to choose from but you know exactly what you want.) I passed by the manager (or owner?) who it seemed I was acquainted with in the dream (seems I'd come in to browse before and she'd been very friendly) - she was busy - and I went to get a closer look at the chair in the window. It was designed like one of the novelty TV chairs that you can probably order from something like FingerHut, but of course it was well made with nice fabric on it to match the grouping in the store window. (Even though the fabic matches the grouping it is in you know that the chair can be moved and the fabric changed and the chair still work.)
A saleslady came up behind me, a very very well-dressed African-American lady, and I told her what I wanted. She suggested a matching loveseat, and I told her I just wanted the chair. She "nicely" pressured me, but I was firm. She began to argue with me and try to convince me that I couldn't buy only the chair, that things came in sets, yaddayadda, but I knew she was just trying for a higher commission, and we didn't need a room full of furniture. (I see this as your ability to know what you are able to take on and what you really don't need, even if it will benefit someone else you have to follow the lead of Nathan.)
I walked toward the manager with this saleslady following me, and there were suddenly customers in the store, all seemingly well-to-do women, all seemingly wanting help right then. The manager had her hands full, and she acted surprisingly curt to me, but she went to the sales counter and pulled out a fabric-sample book. Then I remembered I wanted "woolies". I told her, and she piled several samples on top of the fabric sample book.
(Just seeing this as the opportunity to pick your chair/curtains coverings.)
I started to look at these, but women behind me were getting impatient (I didn't blame them), so I got out of the line to make my decision. The whole time I had been holding the money or check (perhaps another indication that the money/check isn't important in the dream. What may be important is that Nathan put provision or down payment in your hand, thinking he may leave the final say up to you.) in my hand, and I went to a table with it under my arm and put the samples down to look at them. While I was looking, a man kept bringing carved wood curtain rods to the table, two or three at a time, and brackets and valence boards, but mostly the long curtain rods. Apparently in the dream this sort of Mexican-looking primitive-carved heavy wood curtain rod was in style, and these were to go with my "woolies". I realized this was another pressure tactic, and I was feeling rather crowded with all this stuff around me. Another saleslady came to me, one with longish hair and half-glasses, and tried to sell me curtain rods. (This lady wanting to sell you something else needed extra help in seeing close up (bifocals). Not sure who she represents, perhaps someone you know with a Seer gift but needs help to see the whole picture.)
Somewhere around this time, I was waking up,but in my mind the dream was still going on, not like I was making it happen, but more like I was still partly asleep, and this story was like a movie - it was going to continue whether I was asleep or not.
I got to a certain point of frustration where normally I would have just left the store and told my husband about the pressure sales people. I knew he would understand, but I also knew that he really wanted what he sent me for, and that it was time for me to stand up for myself. I told the second saleslady very plainly that I came for these two things and wasn't going to buy anything else - interjecting that my husband is an artist and would carve me a prettier curtain rod than any of these (he really is an artist, and I knew he would do this). (Again knowing exactly what you came for and sticking with the plan. I believe BJ mentioned this earlier. Also seeing that Nathan can make art for the covering.)
She started arguing with me, and I suddenly knew that she was desparate for money, that she and the other lady worked for straight commission, and that this second lady had looked everywhere for another job and had only found this one. I identified with this, and I started to tell her that I knew how hard it was to find a job nowadays, and that I understood her position. She said "you don't understand anything!" but I continued to reason with her and to talk, and I had many things to say. It was like I was starting to preach in the store about being kind - not only because it's the right thing to do, but because you never know when someone without much money could send in a client who does have money, because of the good service.
(Seeing this part as a play on the ladies needing you. They wanted you to buy more so they could be provided for.)
I thought about mentioning that hubby and I were missionaries (we might be soon), but the Spirit withheld me from saying that. I was sent there by God, I knew that now, but I was not sent there for them to take pity on me or to use His name to get a discount.
(Seeing this as being obedient to the Holy Spirit and not taking the position lightly. That you will not use the Name of the Lord in order order to get ahead in a way that isn't in His plan.)
Before I completely woke up, the Lord put it on my mind that I could actually help this store manager/owner, and that He wanted me to offer my services to her as a skip tracer (to look for people who owed the store money - it's something that I think I might actually be starting to do soon). I woke up fully before I said it, but I was also reminded after I awoke that recently I asked God to allow me to prophesy to businesspeople, and I told Him I would do it if He opened the door. (I have no idea what this part means unless it is for you to take this job as a skip tracer. I hope it is something you can do from another place other than Missouri though.)
This felt very real, by the way, and I tried to go back to sleep, but I felt that I was supposed to write this down. I got up around five o'clock AM to do that, even though I hadn't gone to bed until after midnight. (The number 5 means grace, redemption and anointing. Is the Lord calling you to rise to the occasion?)
blessings
tal
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talitha
I totally understand - have been watching as I can on here but not much time to post, and no time to really think and pray a lot about this dream - I trust that I will be able to do it..... Joy, I must say that my spirit seems to agree with what you are saying..... of course, I will dig out lots of goodies with the help of all of you who have responded here......
many thanks to you all, i'll come back to this again as soon as I can.....
blessings
tal
many thanks to you all, i'll come back to this again as soon as I can.....
blessings
tal
The word commission reminds me of what we have been comissioned to do, teach, preach, councel etc. Example short one: I recently had a minister working with me who is also a prophet. Well this day there was no one to prophecy to, it was a room full of kids, after Bible study, which is what they came there to do/buy.
However, he just couldn't resist and begin to prophecy to one little girl and then another. He was not commissioned to do that, was overstepping their need and desires to fullfill his own commission.
These sales people in your dream remind me of that, as they were over reaching their calling.. by overstepping your need and desire in order to show themselves knowledgable or wise in some area and thus gain some commission. You didn't need what they were offerring, but it seems they had no spiritual understanding in that area but rather programmed to assist those who come to them "one way" and that being try to sell them the whole package.... without the leading of the holy spirit who is able to discern a person's needs precisely ,spiritually and other wise.
In Jesus love,
gloryhis
However, he just couldn't resist and begin to prophecy to one little girl and then another. He was not commissioned to do that, was overstepping their need and desires to fullfill his own commission.
These sales people in your dream remind me of that, as they were over reaching their calling.. by overstepping your need and desire in order to show themselves knowledgable or wise in some area and thus gain some commission. You didn't need what they were offerring, but it seems they had no spiritual understanding in that area but rather programmed to assist those who come to them "one way" and that being try to sell them the whole package.... without the leading of the holy spirit who is able to discern a person's needs precisely ,spiritually and other wise.
In Jesus love,
gloryhis
Jesus Is Lord!
When I think of my own life in relation to this chair, I could perhaps use one too!
I see the purchasing of the chair as taking a position= chair, one of relaxation, warmth and peace, with all tension and stress being removed. Resting in God. The insulated curtains/veil stood out to me as well. I don't know if hubby is Jesus or real hubby, but if human hubby then he is willing to pay the price naturally. Jesus already paid it too, so I was thinking it may be about Jesus especally since it was fifty, jubilee?
Woolies..... especially since Jesus became a lamb for us and the chastizement of our peace was laid upon him. That insulation is like an assurance of being protected/insulated from any outside elements. One would need the curtains in order to sit in that position. I am reminded of heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
It's odd the lady tried to sell you a "LOVE seat.. a position of love, you didn't need that, you already have one, or a "complete" set, well you have that too!
You and hubby just wanted the chair. That's what I meant by people trying to over step their commisson and sell us what we don't need, cause they are not being led at the time.
All the rods remind me of the word, we hang our hopes and desires on the promises and finished work of God. But these people were bringing you strange carved out rods to hang your curtains on, again you didn't need them, you knew the Creator intimately=husband , who is the ultimate artist would provide the perfect one for you.
In Jesus love,
gloryhis
I see the purchasing of the chair as taking a position= chair, one of relaxation, warmth and peace, with all tension and stress being removed. Resting in God. The insulated curtains/veil stood out to me as well. I don't know if hubby is Jesus or real hubby, but if human hubby then he is willing to pay the price naturally. Jesus already paid it too, so I was thinking it may be about Jesus especally since it was fifty, jubilee?
Woolies..... especially since Jesus became a lamb for us and the chastizement of our peace was laid upon him. That insulation is like an assurance of being protected/insulated from any outside elements. One would need the curtains in order to sit in that position. I am reminded of heavenly places in Christ Jesus.
It's odd the lady tried to sell you a "LOVE seat.. a position of love, you didn't need that, you already have one, or a "complete" set, well you have that too!
You and hubby just wanted the chair. That's what I meant by people trying to over step their commisson and sell us what we don't need, cause they are not being led at the time.
All the rods remind me of the word, we hang our hopes and desires on the promises and finished work of God. But these people were bringing you strange carved out rods to hang your curtains on, again you didn't need them, you knew the Creator intimately=husband , who is the ultimate artist would provide the perfect one for you.
In Jesus love,
gloryhis
Jesus Is Lord!
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talitha
thanks, gloryHis!
the "commission" part I was getting - thanks for the confirmation.....
I really appreciate that account of the minister/prophet. Those little girls were not ready yet, were they?
The part about "over reaching their calling" - wow, that really helps, and also your insight on the curtain rods..... I was struggling with that.
you guys are the BEST......
blessings
tal
the "commission" part I was getting - thanks for the confirmation.....
I really appreciate that account of the minister/prophet. Those little girls were not ready yet, were they?
The part about "over reaching their calling" - wow, that really helps, and also your insight on the curtain rods..... I was struggling with that.
you guys are the BEST......
blessings
tal